The attached patches fix some incorrect synchronization of the lightweight CAs index (patch 0048) and implement deletion of lightweight CAs (patch 0049). These patches replace earlier patches 0048 and 0049 which I rescind. There is a commented out throw in CertificateAuthority.deleteAuthority(); I don't yet understand what causes this failure case but a) everything seems to work (at least with the small numbers of lightweight CAs I've tested with) and b) I'm seeking clarification from NSS experts on the matter, so stay tuned. Cheers, Fraser

> 3) It would be good to have a "Are you sure?" dialog on the CLI (with > relevant override option). > Will do.

> 5) I have been thinking about ways to restrict delete. We should > discuss and decide on options. Some ideas: > > a) Add CS.cfg option to disable deletes (for production say). > Disagree; don't want more config in flat files. Having the knob in the database would be better but I prefer a combination of other options (see below). > b) Add optional field (deletable) to the CA entry. This can be > set by the creating admin to be True for test environments or > cases where we know the environment will be short lived, or > False for long lived CAs. Default could be configurable. > > CAs could still be deleted, but only by doing something > out-of-band --like modifying the db entry using pki-server > commands or similar. > > c) Requiring CAs to be disabled before deleting them. > I'm in favour of this. > d) Setting a separate ACL for delete, so that it would be easier > for admins to set special permissions for delete. > And in favour of this. > ... others? > I like (c) plus (d) plus perhaps a pkispawn knob that controls whether the admin-can-delete ACL gets added at the beginning. Let me know what you think and thanks for your feedback!

Hi Fraser, Ade caught me on irc for some feedback. I have not had chance to look at your patches, but I did get the gist of the subca delete issues from him. Two key suggestions I have: 1. make sure the action is audited to its parent (audit log preserved) 2. make sure revocation is taken cared of of the subca's signing cert (and therefore invalidating all its signed certs) - and make sure the root CA is never deleted, so that the crls could be preserved and referenced to; - and note that ocsp will no longer work for the subca that is deleted, as the signing cert is gone for good Regarding keeping the root CA, we had discussion on possibly keeping it in a "mothballed state"...I'll let Ade add to this. thanks, Christina On 09/30/2015 07:00 AM, Fraser Tweedale wrote: > Updated patch attached. Comments inline. > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 06:35:57PM +1000, Fraser Tweedale wrote: > > > 3) It would be good to have a "Are you sure?" dialog on the CLI > > > (with > > > relevant override option). > > > > > Will do. > > > Done. > > > > 5) I have been thinking about ways to restrict delete. We > > > should > > > discuss and decide on options. Some ideas: > > > > > > a) Add CS.cfg option to disable deletes (for production > > > say). > > > > > Disagree; don't want more config in flat files. Having the knob > > in > > the database would be better but I prefer a combination of other > > options (see below). > > > > > b) Add optional field (deletable) to the CA entry. This can > > > be > > > set by the creating admin to be True for test > > > environments or > > > cases where we know the environment will be short lived, > > > or > > > False for long lived CAs. Default could be configurable. > > > > > > CAs could still be deleted, but only by doing something > > > out-of-band --like modifying the db entry using pki > > > -server > > > commands or similar. > > > > > > c) Requiring CAs to be disabled before deleting them. > > > > > I'm in favour of this. > > > > > d) Setting a separate ACL for delete, so that it would be > > > easier > > > for admins to set special permissions for delete. > > > > > And in favour of this. > > > > > ... others? > > > > > I like (c) plus (d) plus perhaps a pkispawn knob that controls > > whether the admin-can-delete ACL gets added at the beginning. > > > > Let me know what you think and thanks for your feedback! > > > (c) and (d) are implemented in updated patch. If you agree with > (c) > plus (d) plus pkispawn knob (I guess we'll call that (e)), I'll > file > a ticket for (e). >

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On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 03:59:55PM -0400, Ade Lee wrote: > On Wed, 2015-09-30 at 11:26 -0700, Christina Fu wrote: > See other comments below, but the gist of Christina's comments are: > 1. We need to look up the parent and revoke the subca signing > cert. > 2. We need to restrict Delete to Leaf CAs. So if you have Host CA > -> > sub ca1 -> sub ca2 -> subca 3, > you cannot delete sub CA 1 without deleting subca3 and subca2 > (in > that order). > 3. The mothballed state Christina refers to is what we now call > the > disabled state. In this case, > we should not be able to issue new certs (including subca > certs). > We should however still be able to > revoke certs and publish CRLs. > Thanks Christina and Ade for the feedback. The updated patch (attached) addresses #1. #3 is addressed by my patch 0050 (separate thread). I will tackle revocation-on-delete next. If you are happy with what's in the attached patched we could push it and I'll file a ticket and implement revocation in a separate patch, but the call is yours.

Fraser > > Hi Fraser, > > > > Ade caught me on irc for some feedback. I have not had chance to > > look at your patches, but I did get the gist of the subca delete > > issues from him. > > Two key suggestions I have: > > 1. make sure the action is audited to its parent (audit log > > preserved) > > 2. make sure revocation is taken cared of of the subca's signing > > cert > > (and therefore invalidating all its signed certs) > > - and make sure the root CA is never deleted, so that the crls > > could be preserved and referenced to; > > - and note that ocsp will no longer work for the subca that is > > deleted, as the signing cert is gone for good > > > > Regarding keeping the root CA, we had discussion on possibly > > keeping > > it in a "mothballed state"...I'll let Ade add to this. > > > > thanks, > > Christina > > > > On 09/30/2015 07:00 AM, Fraser Tweedale wrote: > > > Updated patch attached. Comments inline. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 06:35:57PM +1000, Fraser Tweedale > > > wrote: > > > > > 3) It would be good to have a "Are you sure?" dialog on the > > > > > CLI > > > > > (with > > > > > relevant override option). > > > > > > > > > Will do. > > > > > > > Done. > > > > > > > > 5) I have been thinking about ways to restrict delete. We > > > > > should > > > > > discuss and decide on options. Some ideas: > > > > > > > > > > a) Add CS.cfg option to disable deletes (for production > > > > > say). > > > > > > > > > Disagree; don't want more config in flat files. Having the > > > > knob > > > > in > > > > the database would be better but I prefer a combination of > > > > other > > > > options (see below). > > > > > > > > > b) Add optional field (deletable) to the CA entry. This > > > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > set by the creating admin to be True for test > > > > > environments or > > > > > cases where we know the environment will be short > > > > > lived, > > > > > or > > > > > False for long lived CAs. Default could be > > > > > configurable. > > > > > > > > > > CAs could still be deleted, but only by doing > > > > > something > > > > > out-of-band --like modifying the db entry using pki > > > > > -server > > > > > commands or similar. > > > > > > > > > > c) Requiring CAs to be disabled before deleting them. > > > > > > > > > I'm in favour of this. > > > > > > > > > d) Setting a separate ACL for delete, so that it would > > > > > be > > > > > easier > > > > > for admins to set special permissions for delete. > > > > > > > > > And in favour of this. > > > > > > > > > ... others? > > > > > > > > > I like (c) plus (d) plus perhaps a pkispawn knob that > > > > controls > > > > whether the admin-can-delete ACL gets added at the beginning. > > > > > > > > Let me know what you think and thanks for your feedback! > > > > > > > (c) and (d) are implemented in updated patch. If you agree > > > with > > > (c) > > > plus (d) plus pkispawn knob (I guess we'll call that (e)), I'll > > > file > > > a ticket for (e). > > > > I'm OK with (c) and (d) and others appear to be too. Archiving is > difficult because it basically won't work with an HSM. > I suppose this is just equivalent to the controls we have in > revoking > the host CA signing cert. > I don't think (e) is needed. >